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Lawrence Eng [Visitor] in response to: Let's Talk About Love, Rock n' Roll and Giant Robots: The Twilight of My Macross Fandom

Lawrence Eng [Visitor] — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 06:47:24 +0000

Maybe Macross works best when Kawamori and Mikimoto are both involved. I found Macross 2 (Mikimoto-only) to be so disappointing. I haven't read Mikimoto's Macross manga, so I can't comment on that.

Marc McKenzie [Visitor] in response to: Let's Talk About Love, Rock n' Roll and Giant Robots: The Twilight of My Macross Fandom

Marc McKenzie [Visitor] — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:01:39 +0000

"At least not until Kawamori finds whatever it was we used to think he had."

Sean...I hate to sound like a major league a-hole, but what did you mean by this? Can you even define it?

This isn't meant as tearing a strip off you--as a Macross fan for many years I still have a spot for it (and the DYRL is still amazing, even after all of these years) and even enjoyed MACROSS ZERO. I have only seen half of MACROSS FRONTIER, and did like it, so I guess I did not come across the problems you've pointed out with the series.

Perhaps it's because the audience for MACROSS is a generation that is vastly different from the generation that saw the first MACROSS. Or maybe not, I don't know.

TORUMASUTA [Visitor] in response to: Let's Talk About Love, Rock n' Roll and Giant Robots: The Twilight of My Macross Fandom

TORUMASUTA [Visitor] — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:39:44 +0000

To be fair, Zeta Gundam was original because it had two Gundams, thus setting the precedent for PRETTIER MIDSEASON UPGRADE ROBOT.

And while Macross Frontier is both vapid and unoriginal, I still have to give it props for being a better kind of vapid and unoriginal. If you had told me what Macross Frontier's plot would be like before I watched it, I wouldn't have watched it, because the cliches it engages in always end up terribly. But between the moe Ranka and big tits Sheryl, we actually get something resembling characterization for the love triangle. Sheryl and Ranka have complex, dynamic personalities that change as the series goes on--unheard of for something with moe and/or big tits. They're character archetypes, but effort was made to get them to act like human beings.

Sean [Member] in response to: Let's Talk About Love, Rock n' Roll and Giant Robots: The Twilight of My Macross Fandom

Sean [Member] — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:10:25 +0000

Saying that having two idols in the love triangle is original is like saying Zeta Gundam was original because it had two Gundams.

Ultimately, it's all just variations. Macross II had a main character who was a reporter and the love triangle involved an alien. Macross 7's main character was a dude who liked rocking out in his special Valkyrie. Ultimately, none of Frontier's characters really broke out of the mecha genre stereotypes or were actually interesting in the way that the characters in Plus and 7 were.

The difference between Minmay's shower scene and the constant moé shit that Frontier has is like the difference between tasteful b&w nude photography and Girls Gone Wild. Ultimately, it's all just tits but it's the mentality behind it that's different.

Whereas in the original it was one (1) shower scene thrown in for shits and giggles, moé and big-boob gags are packed into every episode of Frontier. The intention is different, the degree is different... it's different.

SDShamshel [Visitor] in response to: Let's Talk About Love, Rock n' Roll and Giant Robots: The Twilight of My Macross Fandom

SDShamshel [Visitor] — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:00:21 +0000

It seems to me that you're unable to see past what you've probably deemed as "unnecessary fanservice."

Unoriginal? Which Macross series has a love triangle with two different idols who have two very different paths as idols? How many Macross series have had a character like Grace? How do you complain about a moody main character that actually goes out and does something about it? How do you go about talking about the characters and fail to ever mention Sheryl Nome, one of the central characters of the series?

And even if we look at the fanservice, what's the difference between a Macross shower scene and Minmei's shower scene? What's the difference between some semi-exposed tits and Sivil's Anima Spiritia Orgasm? Did you conveniently forget that Macross has had this sort of thing, or is it just the Wrong Kind of fanservice in your eyes?